I have a 2006 Odyssey. The overiding disappointment is the PAX tires. We have been loyal Honda customers until now.

Tomfly, I have to agree this is our first Honda and likely my last. After asking Honda what the safety concerns were with replacing the PAX tires with conventional tires. They told me I had to ask Michelin why Depaxing was not recommended.:confused:

Surprized Honda did not test this tire system better prior to putting it on there vehicles.

Hi,
Have you checked out famman? He has posted some ads in the owners forum offering to help out those of us with PAX tire problems. I love my '06 Odyssey touring but have had a couple of tire failures and had problems getting them fixed, especially on Sunday! No honda dealers open and almost no Michelin
tire shops certified to repair PAX tires either. ARRGH! what a pain! I can't imagine how hard it must be if you don't live in a major city! I live in Los Angeles and still had to hunt around, only to have the tire plugged temporarily.
Famman is extremely helpful and he got my rims to me quickly, as I need tires badly. I only got 27000 miles out of my original PAX tires and the last few months the front tread really has deteriorated rapidly and traction even in the dry has gotten horrible. I can't wait to see how much less my new tire and wheel set up weighs compared to PAX.
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I recently bought a '06 Honda Odyssey Touring. I was unaware of the issues regarding the Michlein PAX tires, or I may have bought a EX-L Odyssey with Navigation.

If a Honda Motor Company representative reads this thread, I would like them to take this suggestion under advisement. Many of the '06 Touring vans or on the market again after leases have expired. I acquired one of those vans and bought a bumper to bumper 100K mile warranty. However, the tires on my Odyssey will need to be replaced soon. I would like to de-PAX my Touring due to the expense of replacement and the inconvenience regarding service if needed on the weekend. If I do so, my service representative told me the warranty I acquired would be voided, because I did not replace with PAX tires. I am asking Honda Motor Company to support the warranty if the Touring van is de-PAX'ed. It's my understanding, Honda offered the option in later Touring models, '07 and '08, that PAX tires were optional. If that's true, I'm sure those vans, when sold new were covered under a full warranty. Why not offer the same option to those vans on the used market?

I like the van and I'm sure it will serve my family well. This is the 5th Honda I've owned. However, PAX tires are limiting and will reduce the enjoyment I will derive from owning this vehicle. The enjoyment I experienced owning the other Hondas drove my decision to buy this one. Mr. Honda, please reconsider!

When customer's have a problem, a decent company does what it can to make things right. From everything I have read so far from researching this PAX issue, Honda seems to be ignoring the issue. In my mind, this makes Honda not a decent company. I have an 04 CRV and an 07 Touring Odyssey, the last two Hondas I will ever buy. All from a simple nail in my tire. I plan on telling everyone that will listen about, "The Great Honda Tire Scam." You would think company's such as this would be above such a racquet.

Tomfly, I have to agree this is our first Honda and likely my last. After asking Honda what the safety concerns were with replacing the PAX tires with conventional tires. They told me I had to ask Michelin why Depaxing was not recommended.:confused:

Honda sent out a bulletin to dealers awhile back advising them not to switch the tires/wheels out to non-Pax ones saying that the problem is if you switch to regular tires the dash warning still says it is okay to keep driving when the vehicle senses a flat tire rather than telling you to stop driving. And that it would be a liability issue for the dealership.

-Trevor
http://www.HandA-Accessories.com

Honda sent out a bulletin to dealers awhile back advising them not to switch the tires/wheels out to non-Pax ones saying that the problem is if you switch to regular tires the dash warning still says it is okay to keep driving when the vehicle senses a flat tire rather than telling you to stop driving. And that it would be a liability issue for the dealership.

-Trevor
http://www.HandA-Accessories.com

Trevor, can you provide a bulletin number or specific keyword that will pull that bulletin up on ISIS? I cannot recall ever having seen such a bulletin, and get no hits with keywords 'tire' 'PAX' or 'Michelin'.

We have a number of customers who opted out of the PAX system with no reported issues.

I looked through ISIS for it too, but I think it was just one of the IN Messages that pops up when you first login to the IN; it was sometime around last fall. I just remember it telling dealers not to put normal wheel/tire setups on them and the only reason was the dash warning that would still indicate that they could keep driving with a flat. We get people asking about wheels from the non-PAX models to put on theirs so it caught my eye.
According the the owners manual the dash will say "PAX System warning, run flat driving, Max 50MPH" when it senses that the tire is completely flat, which could lead someone to keep driving on a flat regular tire, which would be bad. At least that is Honda's angle on it (or their attorneys).

Trevor, can you provide a bulletin number or specific keyword that will pull that bulletin up on ISIS? I cannot recall ever having seen such a bulletin, and get no hits with keywords 'tire' 'PAX' or 'Michelin'.

We have a number of customers who opted out of the PAX system with no reported issues.

One of the other guys here found it. When you login to the IN select Parts, then Parts and Service News Flash then Attached Documents then More on Pax Tires.

Bought an '08 Odyssey Touring new. One option was the PAX tires. Luckily I talked with my local tire dealer about them thinking they sounded like a good idea. He highly recommended that I DO NOT get them. After learning more about them from the tire dealer and what I have read here I am glad I didn't get them.

I just picked up an 07 Touring, last month, and have already started doing my de-pax research. My rear tires still have a pretty good amount of tread on them. The front's are a little worn and i'm having them rotated tomorrow. I guess I'm a little late in the game to get in on the class action resolution to this problem.
My comment is, if these are such a great idea and such a great combination with the Odyssey's, why isn't Michelin making them anymore or Honda offering them as an option? Sorry, just my short rant! :mad:

Cheers,
FTO

Here is the class action lawsuit link. It's too late to get reimbursed for the spare tire, but, you CAN de-PAX your car and Honda will support the warranty. Naturally, if the modification (de-PAX) tears up a part (i.e. you drive on a rim with regular tires and screw them up) they aren't liable for items torn up directly due to the non-stock modification.

The "we won't cover your warranty" is typical bull stuff dealers pull to get people to buy OEM stuff - either through outright lying or a misunderstanding of the law.

It's in the doc - if anyone is concerned about these tires quit complaining and take a few minutes to read the settlement docs. It also covers de-PAX'ing.

http://www.sfmslaw.com/class-action-lawsuits/cases.php?id=343

Page 13, section F for the lazy.

But it also says that Honda can indeed have an opinion that the vehicle shouldn't be de-PAXed. But you can do it. Therefore, if you de-PAX your car and you keep driving on a flat tire because your van told you to it based on the equipment your van thinks it has but you removed - you accept liability for any outcome - not Honda. Common sense.

You can also buy a spare tire for around $100, I believe, to drive further than the 120 recommended miles on a PAX flat.

I, for one, have thus far decided to keep the PAX tires so far. I figure if my fam is traveling without me I'd rather they be able to get somewhere safely and repair the flat at a time of our choosing. I'd rather that than have them sitting on the side of the road waiting for me or a tow truck to show up.

It's a reasonable trade-off to me and one I'm willing to make.

Great content and very helpful thank and keep up the good work.

The one thing that I don't understand is, why can't the system be re-flashed to get rid of the "Run Flat Message"? I know the EX-L doesn't throw up this error message. Also, the latter year Ody's (08 +) offered PAX as an option. Is there something that I'm missing or don't understand about the Message Center?

Cheers,
FTO